Friday, December 31, 2010

Pricing for Amplifier revision by Dada Electronics

We use the best components and we work together with the best specialists.

After a revision there is a 1 year full warrantee (excluding transportation costs).

This is the pricing (in Euro) for the Quad-revision/upgrades:


  • FM3: 85,-
  • FM4 including battery: 95,-
  • 33: 155,-
  • 303: 195,-
  • 303 including High-end board-set: 395,-
  • 306: 195,-
  • 34: 185,-
  • 44: 195,-
  • 405: 215,-
  • 405 including High-end amplifier-boards: 455,-
  • 405 including all High-end options (boardset, Dual mono PSU and LS Protection/delay): 610,-
  • 303, 306 or 405 conversion to monoblock: add 25,- to the revision-price
  • 510: 215,-
  • 520 (f): 245,-
  • 606 MKI: 215,-
  • 606 MK II, 707 or 909: 255,-

Cyrus revision:

  • Cyrus One: 195,-

The Do-It-Yourself kits with support remain @ the same price:

Dada Electronics has all Quad (33 to 909) parts & replacement transistors in stock.

Documentation & 7/7 support by experts are free.

Upgrade/Revision manuals, Service manuals and User manuals can be downloaded for free on http://www.dadaelectronics.eu/.

You can click on the pictures to enlarge them. When you click on the products or services you will go directly to the Dada Electronics Webshop.

Stefaan

Wednesday, April 28, 2010

Revision of a Quad 520f

The Quad 510 and 520 were the first professional current dumping amplifiers. Produced from 1984 until 1995.

Production numbers:

Quad 510 Mono 19" Rack Amplifier(Pro), produced from 1984-1989 numbers: 3200
Quad 510 Mono 19" Rack Amplifier(Neutrik)Pro), produced from 1989-1995 numbers: 600
Quad 520 Stereo 19 " Rack Amplifier(Pro), produced from 1984-1986 numbers: 4000
Quad 520f Stereo 19 " Rack Amplifier(Pro), produced from 1986-1989 numbers: 7500
Quad 520f Stereo 19 " Rack Amplifier(Neutrik)Pro), produced from 1989-1995 numbers: 3000

Introduction:

The 520f with Pcb 12828-8 was based on the final circuit of the 606 and 306 which were introduced in 1986. Prior to the Pcb 12828-8 there was also a 12282-7 version with a slightly different circuit diagram (mayby there are more variants?). It shows how Quad solved the problems around the current limitter circuit and the H+ rail for the class A amplifier. Still not the best solution, but a fare and good working compromise. The 520 differ on two major aspects from a 520f, a double conventional power supply instead of the power supply with the regulated earth to prevent any DC current through the loudspeaker, and discrete build current sources in the input circuit. The 606 design was based on single integrated current sources. The 510 never got the “f” suffix but was after 1986 or so also based on the new circuit (and modules).
The 520f had standard unbalanced inputs, balanced high quality input modules could be ordered separately or factory installed. The model type suffix was then changed in “M”. There was also an “S” model where no input volume controls where installed. In the first series of 520f the inrush current limiter was an option, from serial 6500 this was implemented in the factory. When buying second hand; be alert, the suffix on the front for all models is the same;”f”. There was also a special version for the BBC; 521f. Here the type number on the front was changed. The 521 had all the options, including balanced input volume controls and a provision to separate the mains earth from the chassis. To make it simple; Quad also built 520’s to special order. Recently I saw units with the number 522 on the front for sale on eBay, as far as I know, these were also build for the BBC.
Because of the pro use, it is very difficult to buy an unmolested 510 or 520(f). Only a few found their way to domestic applications or received TLC in pro environments. But from a technical (electronic) viewpoint most units can be restored to pristine order.
The 510 and 520 families have double output transistors in stead of the triples in a 606. This limits the output power, but in practice you will not notice the difference when playing music. The 520 ranges of amplifiers are thermal protected, so if you wish, the current limiters can be changed to allow a higher peak output current with low impedance loads. The 510 is not thermal protected, althoug it is mentioned in the manuals.
If you can chose: buy a 520f. The 510 is also very good, but is single channel and primarily designed for driving special loads.

Revision challenges.




Except for the power supply capacitors, all the other components which are needed are standard and easy available. In the original amplifier a 6800uF 63V capacitor is used in the PSU, a BHC capacitor from the ALP’s series. If you reed the BHC datasheet’s carefully, BHC do not advise to use the ALP series for new projects, only for replacement. Also most suppliers only have a limited stock of ALP series. I chose a 15.000uF capacitor from the ALC series to replace the ALP, it has the same can size and plus and minus pin spacing, but has only four pins instead of five and uses a different pin layout. The two or three (ALP) extra pins are added for stability and so a rigid PCB and capacitor coupling as a result. But there is a design problem. The extra pins are normally not connected to the plus or the minus of the capacitor, but in some circumstances the extra pins will be internally connected to the minus due to electrolyte leakage. This will not degrade the performance of the capacitor. But, in the Quad Psu printed circuit board design some of the extra pins are connected to the plus or even worse H+. Because of this layout issue, I assume a lot of 520’s ended up with short circuit power supplies and are re ”capped” for the wrong reason!
If you can get hold of some original ALP capacitors, isolate the extra pins by removing the copper track around the pins, don’t remove the solder eyelets. Or do as I did, remove (clip) the extra pins and use heavy duty two sided sticky tape to firmly connect the capacitor mechanically to the Pcb. To accommodate the pin layout of the ALC, some new holes have to be drilled, see the picture. Remove the laquer around the new holes for proper soldering. Check the position of the holes before you drill the holes, make a template. Also the two sets of resistors R104 and R105 have to be placed at the copper side of the Pcb.
Replace C7, C9 and C11 by capacitors with the same value. That’s all to restore it to an improved electronic state. If the inrush limiter is fitted, also replace C300 with a 2.2uF bipolar capacitor. The 520 has a different Psu Pcb layout, but I think the ALC series will fit after some work.



Further improvements:

Double the capacity of C7, C9, and C11. Decouple these capacitors with 0.1uF film type capacitors on the copper side of the circuit board. Also decouple D1 and D12 which these type of capacitors. Replace C2, C3, and R5 by 0.33uF, 1uF and 62kOhm, this will bring the input and DC feedback circuit to Quad 909 level. Because of excessive heat produced by R16, R17 and R24, place C7 at the copper side of channel two (2), and reposition R16 , R17 and R24 at the copper side of channel one (1).
The channel 1 board is on the left hand side of the case, if you look at the front of the case.

Current limiters.
Quad struggled with the design of the limiters from the first 405 schematic. The key problem is the position of the upper dumper driver. Ideal this driver, which is a part of the class A stage, should be connected to H+ (like the rest of the class A stage). In most schematics, including some of the the 606, the voltage of the emitter of the driver is modulated by the voltage across the current sensing resistor in the dumper circuit. The final solution from Quad is to connect the class A stage to this point. And in this way trusted on the very good Psu ripple rejection ratio of the class A stage. But in this case the ripple is not only mains borne, but also ”musical”. Why not implemented it the “right” way? Any comments are welcome on this subject. See also the post I made on 19 september 2008.

Mono blocks :

To build a parallel monoblock some extra actions are needed. Connect the two power supplies together on the Psu Pcb, use low gauge insulated wire (min 0.75mm2). Connect the earth, H+ and H- from one power supply to the other. Remove from one power supply T100, T101, R100, R101, R102, and R103. Remove from one channel R40 and C14. Because the 502f already has input potmeters, we don’t need an extra potmeter. Connect the two inputs together, use a nominal input signal of 500mV 1Khz, measure with an AC Milli volt meter the difference between the two outputs, adjust one potmeter for minimum reading. Lock the potmeter in the usual way. Then connect the loudspeaker via two (one in each channel) series resistors of 0.3 Ohm to both channels and earth. Check the 405 documentation on this point in the download section also for an alternative way to adjust the potmeter by using a loudspeaker.
A 520 has a normal double Psu, so skip the part “Remove from one power supply T100, T101, R100, R101, R102, and R103”.

Dada Electronics will not launch a 520f revision-kit but all the components you need are available in the Webshop. The Quad documentation and the BHC data sheet with all the information can be downloaded for free in the Download section of the Website.

Joost Plugge, may 2010
To simplify things I have made a list of the components you need for the above revision / upgrade with direct links to our Webshop:

And for Monoblock-conversion:

Stefaan

Sunday, March 21, 2010

A fully restored 33 set


A beautiful 33 set, consisting of a 33, FM2, FM3, AM3, 303 and two 50 E amplifiers. Take a look at the Thorens SME combination and the B&W loudspeakers.

All this equipment belongs to an enthusiastic Dutch Quad collector.

(Click on the picture to enlarge.)

Monday, March 08, 2010

Fixing Worn or Cracking Potentiometers, Switches and Connectors

Kontakt Chemie explains on their Website how to repair old and worn out Potentiometers, Trimmers, Switches, Contacts or Connectors.

As Vintage Hifi specialists we found this very interesting for ourselves and our customers. We made sure to provide all the necessary chemicals in our Webshop and we outline the Kontakt article below:

There are 3 steps:
  1. Remove all corrosion with Kontakt 60
  2. Clean the contacts with Kontakt WL
  3. Put an anti-oxydation film on the contacts with Kontakt 61

From the Kontakt-website:

"The cleaning and oxide-dissolving action can be improved by mechanical support. If switching or connector contacts are readily accessible, they can be carefully wiped, for example, using cellulose, leather or cotton swabs.

If it is impossible to provide mechanical support, allow Kontakt 60 some 10 to 15 minutes to penetrate.

Optimum results are obtained, if dissolved dirt and corrosion products are then rinsed off with Kontakt WL.

After that, Kontakt 61 is applied as a protective film. Kontakt 60 works in many cases even without after-treatment. However this increases the risk that corrosion damage will appear again after a short time."

Stefaan


Sunday, February 21, 2010

Revised Quad FM3 Service Notes, may 2010




Quad produced some 50,000 FM3 tuners between 1971 and 1982. So there are plenty of units out there, so it is well worth while developing a service approach. This article is the result of having three customer FM3s on the bench at the same time as well as my own unit, which I’ve owned for 20 years but am only just renovating now.
The FM3 should not be confused with the similar-looking FM2, which is a valve unit based on the original FM tuner that goes with the 22/II valve equipment (of which 7,500 were built between 1968 and 1971: they are now much sought after). The FM2 and FM3 are clearly marked as such on the back, and the FM2 has the stereo indicator on the left and the tuning lights on the RHS of the scale: the FM3 has them the other way around. The FM3 is a solid-state tuner with excellent performance and a very sweet sound, well suited for areas with good signal strength and not too many stations in the band.
There are three principal variations of the FM3:

1: s/n to 5884: This series uses a two-IC front end and a Motorola MC1305 stereo decoder.

2: s/n 5885-9,9999: This series uses the same front end and an MC1310 stereo decoder.

3: s/n 10,000 up: This series uses a single-IC front end and the MC1310 stereo decoder.

Within each series there are also minor variations detailed in the Service Manual, the most interesting being that for a short period in 5885-9999 a different tuning gang and tuning scale were used, with ‘MHz’ appearing in the centre of the scale instead of at the right-hand end. I’ve never seen one of these.
Servicing these units should be confined to the following unless you have RF and IF alignment equipment (sweep generator, marker generator, stereo modulator, and oscilloscope).


1. Check that +-14VDC is available at the red lead and the long black lead on the underside. Pre s/n 5885 adjust the PSU RVs as necessary; otherwise maybe replace the Zeners and resistors. You can update pre s/n 5885 to the later power supply, by removing R106/7, shorting out RV102/3, and changing MR101/2 to 15V zeners. I have seen FM3s fitted with 7812/7912 voltage regulators but the MC1410 really needs more than 12V for lowest distortion: do not imitate; undo if found.


2. Replace the two PSU caps with 1000uF/25V. Quad used 680uF occasionally in one or other of these positions: this was strictly a stock or economy measure; do not imitate.

3. Replace the audio PSU decoupling cap C121 with 470uF/16V.

4. The audio coupling capacitors C124/125 (C116/118 pre s/n 5885) are rather small at 100nF, especially if you’re not using the FM3 into a Quad 33 or another preamp with 100k input impedance. Change them to 470nF high-quality poly capacitors. This will improve bass response and phase into lower impedances.

5. From s/n 5885+ only, you can consider replacing the resistors in the final multi-pole Sallen-Key filter chain: R115-120 with 10K 1% metal; R121/1 with 1K 1% metal, and R123/4 with 4k7 1% metal. If you can, check the values of C115-120 and C122/3, for tolerance within 5%, and replace with quality poly as necessary. Whatever you replace, replace in both channels.

6. There have been suggestions to replace resistors in the earlier RF and IF stages ‘to reduce noise’. This is complete nonsense of course, as the signal is FM-modulated at this point, and resistors produce noise in the amplitude domain only. However if you find a burnt or out-of-tolerance resistor there (you won’t), replace it.

7. Replace Tr107/8 with BC549C.

8. You can also consider replacing the composite-audio coupling capacitors C100 and C104, both located next to the MC1310, with 0.68uF/16V, but note that Quad used high-quality ‘orange drop’ capacitors in this position so personally I would avoid it unless you know they are faulty. On pre-5885 models these capacitors do not exist.

9. Adjust the output level at RV3 to be no more than 250mV on normal reception, or on 75% modulation if you have an FM RF generator. Too high a level can cause distortion inside the decoder chip.

10. Replace the stereo lamp assembly with a 5mm yellow LED in series with 1k2 (or raise R101 to 1k). The green wire should be connected to the negative (short) lead of the LED, the black wire to the positive (long) lead.

11. Replace the tuning lamps and assembly with two 5mm yellow LEDs in series with a 1k2 resistor (0.25W will do). The left-hand lamp looking from the front is connected as (4) above; the other one is connected the other way round (because the black wire here is supplying a negative voltage). In all three cases the green wire is ground. The old lamps can be removed complete with their mounting flanges with a pair of pliers: just squeeze the ‘U’ shape together and it lifts out to the rear of the tuner. If you can figure out a way to mount an LED in the panel lamp position, you can also fit an LED there, on the same principle, i.e. also in series with 1k2. Otherwise, if you have to replace this lamp, make sure that the swinging lever is free and doesn’t contact the chassis and earth its supply voltage anywhere.

12. Using either a digital counter (preferred) or a DVM with a kHz range, adjust RV100 so that exactly 19kHz appears at pin 10 of the MC1310 with power on and no signal at the aerial input. Adjust to within +-2Hz if your meter is accurate enough. If you have s/n 5885-9999 and you can’t quite get to 19kHz, change R111 to 15k and if you can’t get accurate enough change RV100 to 10k linear as per 10,000+. This step aligns the stereo decoder, reducing distortion, and lights up the stereo lamp if it wasn’t on before. Pre s/n 5885 you need a stereo modulator to adjust all those coils for the MC1305 decoder: just forget it.

Do not adjust anything on the left-hand RF/IF board (including the part to the right of the metal divider), or anything on a pre-5885, unless you have FM alignment gear. Note that the factory instructions for s/n 10000+ assume you have an Sound Technology ST1000A and don’t tell you how to do it with an ordinary sweep generator.



Dada Electronics Australia, Esmond Pitt, may 2010

Wednesday, February 10, 2010

Quad 33 with s/n 1067


Andreas from Vienna has one of the very first 33's on his working-table for a revision with the Dada Electronics 33-kit.

The first 33's that were actually sold had serial numbers from 1000 on. So this really is an early one.

As you can see on the pictures of the Disc-amplifier board Quad made some last-moment modifications when the PCB version 1 was already in production.


Andreas writes:

"Attached two pictures for your records. Yes, the components on the solder side of the board are indeed a correction of the PCB layout. The tracks beneath the 1k resistors are cut and the caps are 2200p. Comparing the attached component side picture with the ones from your manual one can clearly see that the components C309, C310, R317 and R318 (mistakenly named R308 on the Fig. 5 picture from QUAD) are missing on the component side.

So if you ever stumble over an disc board that old you know....... ;-)"

Stefaan

Sunday, January 10, 2010

Revox Manuals can be downloaded now


A collection of the "Most Wanted" Revox User Manuals and Service Instructions are available in pdf-format in the Download section of the Dada Electronics Website now.

You will find documentation for the Revox A720 - A740 - A77 - B285 - B77 - B780.

These are the original manuals from Studer. They are large, so you will need a High-speed Internet connection, but the resolution is excellent.

Stefaan

Friday, January 08, 2010

Extra repair/mod information concerning the Quad 44

Correction for the 7815 pin layout!!!

In the first series of the 44 (before serial 12.000) the output mute relay was fitted on the tone control board. There is an official Quad mod to decrease the switch off time of the relay: a capacitor of 4u7 (35V minimum) between the +HT rail and the base of Tr501. To prevent switch off noise, always apply this mod. On the tone control board M 12512 iss 8 (somewhere between serial 2401 and 12000) the cap was fitted in the factory.

In some cases the relay will rattle, Quad refers simple to: HT problems. Modern OPA’s draw substantial more current than the very efficient TL071’s. Also they pull more current from the negative supply in respect to the positive supply.

If you look at the relay circuit diagram, it is a critical design. With a total supply voltage of 30V the relay “on” voltage is exact 24V minus the Vce of Tr501. But the voltage is not 30V, there is only 28.8V max at hand.

To cure this, I placed one diode in series with each of the 15V zeners (D400 and D401). The same way Quad builds the 8.2V supply for the Switch board. The next step is reduce R400 and R405 to 5 ohm’s and increase the zener and transistor circuit current by reducing R402 and R403 to 1k5 Ohm’s. In most cases the supply will now deliver enough current to feed the hungry OPA’s and the relay. It is good practice to replace all the zeners (also the 7.5V and the diode D403) by 1,3 Watt versions.

If the rattling still occurs: increase the relay voltage by decreasing R550 to 22k ohm.

The last (final) step to get the relay silent is the following: replace the negative supply by installing a 7915 Voltage regulator. Until now I had to do this once (a time consuming warrantee case for Stefaan).
Remove R402, R404, R405, Tr402, Tr403 and D401. Replace R405 by a wire link; replace Tr402 with a tripod wire link. Place the 7915 in the position of Tr403 with “legs” 2 and 3 (input and output) crossed. Don’t use the metal nut and bolt to fasten the regulator.


Topview 7915

The same kind of operation can be performed to rebuild the positive supply with a 7815 voltage regulator.

Topview 7815

Remove Tr 400, Tr401, R400, R401, R403 and D400. Replace R400 by a wire link; replace Tr401 by a wire tripod. Place the 7815 in the same position as Tr400 on the copper side of the Pcb. With ‘legs’ 2 and 3 (output and ground) crossed. Place the 7815 in an upright position.

Modern 24V relays are functionally compatible, not pin compatible, see the drawing for correct placing. The relay is in an upright position on the component side of the pcb. Use always a relay with high impedance, 1K Ohm or more.










Other useful mods.

In Quad 44’s below serial 23.000 the volume can not be reduced to zero, like in a 34 or 44’s above serial 23.000. Remove R502 and R503, replace R500 and R501 by a wire link, and replace R552 and R553 by 10 k Ohm. In this way the series resistor is reduced, this brings the gain of this stage to the original value.

In the Radio module and the first series of Aux modules two extra resistors are placed in the OPA circuit. R202, 204 and R203, 205. Why they did this? In this way the circuit is unity gain, but the OPA runs at a higher gain. In those days OPA’s weren’t always stable at unity gain. Remove R204 and R205 and replace R202 and R203 by a wire link.
In the Aux module: remove R606, 607 and replace R604, 605 by a wire link.

Joost Plugge

Monday, December 28, 2009

Dual Mono PSU & Velleman K4700 in a Quad 405


Joost built a Velleman K4700 Loudspeaker-protection kit in a Quad 405 with a Dada Electronics Dual Mono Power-supply.

As there is no space above the PSU he fixed it to the Back-panel behind the transformer. This may be the best solution with a classical PSU as well...

The "-" of the Speakers goes to the Power-supply and from there to the central Mass-point. Another wire from the central Mass-point goes to the Velleman.

This is not only a practical solution, it works very well!
Click on the picture to enlarge.

The Velleman K4700 kit and the Assembled version are available in the Webshop.

Stefaan

Thursday, December 03, 2009

Quad 306 - 606 Monoblock & Virtual Earth

Corected version 20-02-2010



A Quad 303 or 405 power-amplifier can be easily converted to a parallel monoblock that will deliver more power to speakers with a lower impedance, will be more stable at higher volumes and can handle difficult loads like ESL speakers in a better way.

All you need are a trimmer potentiometer to divide the signal between both channels and (for the 405) some 0,3R 5W resistors to connect the outputs together. The Quad monoblock instructions are available in the Download-section.

In the 606, 707, 909 it is more complicated.

These amplifiers have a non-conventional power supply with a “virtual mass”. The advantage is that no DC power can go to the output so the clamp-circuit is no longer needed and that you will only need one fuse to protect the power-supply.

Both channels in are completely separated, the power-supply as well as the earth. Normally this technique is only used in professional audio. In the 606 the masses of both speaker-outputs (the black binding-posts) are connected… via the preamplifier, we may consider this a serious design-error!

Fortunately the virtual mass circuits in the separated power-supplies in both channels will keep the power-supply voltage at the correct level.

But when converting to monoblock we don’t want separate voltage regulation in both channels.

Another issue is that both safety-circuits (R32 and C12) are now in parallel between the signal-earth and the chassis, resulting in an impedance that is too low. When converting a 606 to monoblock those components will have to be removed in one of the channels. In the 306 they are only mounted once so they don't have to be removed.

Because of the separate power supplies both channels in the monoblock will not always react the same way. We will have to remove one of the regulation circuits and connect both power-supplies together. Also we have to remove one safety coupling. Look at the specific diagram's.

The 306 has a slightly differant layout, the mass of the two channels is allready conected together and there is only one safety coupling to mass.

To modify the amplifier to a monoblock , this is what we have to do:

Connect C10 (positive tag) in both channels in parallel by soldering an isolated copper wire between them on the copper-side of the Printed Circuit-board.
Do the same with C11 (negative tag).
In one channel remove the regulator circuit by removing R28, R29, R30, R31, T11 and T12.

Now the amplifier has one power-supply (with twice the power), and one regulator-circuit. We can now replace the RCA or Din input(s) by one new input, add a trimmer to divide the signal between both channels like in the 303 or the 405 monoblocks (tip: Glue the multiturn trimmer to the inside of the back-panel beside the RCA input) and the resistors between the outputs of both channels and the red binding-post. If you want to retain the input connector (Din or RCA) which is directly connected to the PCB, than connect the output wires of the pot to R1 in both channels and solder the input of the pot to the connector.

Stefaan & Joost

Friday, November 27, 2009

The secret project


Some pictures of my own project, a stereo Bi- Amping amplifier based on the DaDa JPE modules. You see four 405 modules, two double power supplies and four delay units. The delay units are stacked in pairs. The transformer is a custom build Amplimo. The units run on 60V supplies, the aim was to make the amplifiers less sensitive to load changes, not increasing the output power. The units are still 100W at 8 Ohm at nominal input. There is only one switch at the back and no indicators or whatsoever on the front. There are some led’s on the inside for control purposes. We are not planning to make these amps on a commercial basis. But............

Joost Plugge

Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Changing the Online - Shop

Dada Electronics has replaced the Ebay-shop by their own Webshop.

The Quad Dada Electronics Upgrade-kits and High-end boards will still be offered in the small Ebay-shop.

The fact Ebay increased the pricing for Shop-publishing without prior announcement and does not seem to negociate with their professional customers is not the only reason.



On www.dadaelectronics.eu we will offer hundreds of technical articles and papers, free downloads of schematics, user-manuals and service-manuals and the Webshop is open!

In the coming days we will add hundreds of products to the Webshop. You can already take a look and inscribe for the newsletter.

Stefaan

Update 18/9: We added all Dada Electronics Quad Upgrade Kits and a lot of Velleman Kits and Connectors. The Webshop is fully operational now.

We have made it very simple and straightforward for the Electronician or the Audio-lover to find his way. We added 300 products up to now. 1700 to go ;-)

Update 28/9: We started the Forum where you can ask all Quad & other High-end technical questions. New technical papers and hundreds of new products have been added.

Saturday, September 26, 2009

Thierry Martin's Vintage collection


One of the nicest collections of Vintage Hifi in mint condition I have ever seen belongs to Thierry Martin in France.

This is a must see!

Click here for Thierry's website.

Friday, June 26, 2009

Impedance of Quad ESL's and Monoblocks








The original ESL was a notorious hard to drive loudspeaker. See the graph from Sheldon Stokes. A low impedance at around 10 Khz and of highly capacitive nature. The ESL 63 has a more friendly impedance curve, but the same behaviour at around 10 Khz. The Martin Logan approach, hybrid systems, will not help in this area. The problems are in the HF section, the LF section of a full range electrostatic is easy to drive. On the Sheldon Stokes site you can find a diagram of a dummy load electrostatic, very useful to test an amp without the risk of damaging your fragile ESL.
To improve the current output, and prevent high distorsion due to current clipping, the two channels of an amplifier can be connected in parallel (offcourse with some extra measures). This is useful when you use a 405 (2) to drive an ESL63. The improvement is also there when you use a 303 and ESL57 combination. In both cases the channel separation will be on CD level, which is not so if the individual amplifiers are used as a two channel combination. The 303 and 405 where built in a era when 25dB channel separation from your high end pick-up cartridge was top!




Joost Plugge

Wednesday, May 27, 2009

Dada Electronics & Elektor


Elektor is the leading international editor for the professional electronics engineer and the hobby-electronician.

Dada Electronics is now an official reseller of all Elektor books, CD's, projects and kits.

Thursday, April 16, 2009

4 pole capacitors



The idea came from a request from a customer to mount Jensen 4 pole capacitors on our 405 dual mono power-supply board. This was not possible on Dada's standard board. But I was triggered by the idea. Is this a way to make extra money by selling snake oil? No!

BHC and Jensen manufacture this kind of capacitors. What is the theory behind the four pole capacitor? An electrolyt capacitor can be modelled as a resistance, an inductance and a pure capacitor in series. In a 4 pole capacitor these resistors and inductance are used as a HF filter. This is done by placing the input and output wires at separated places along the metal foil. In real life you can’t separate the individual components, but the filter effect is there. On the Jensen website the history of the 4 pole capacitor is explained, as in most cases, the 4 pole is an old idea.

In normal setups the capacitor in a power supply delivers a parallel supply current to the load. That’s why most people consider the Psu capacitor “out of scope” considering the signal path. In my view every component which has an influence on the signal path is a part of the signal path! In the case of the four pole capacitor, the foil is in series with the load. So the filtering capabilities also increase the internal impedance of the power supply. There is no difference in behaviour when you put an extra filter in the Psu, the plus is that you use the natural L and R part of the capacitor. The load current flows through the capacitor, so it will get warm at maximum power output of the amplifier! In a normal Psu setup the internal L and R are responsible for the increasing impedance of a capacitor at high frequencies, now they are used to filter the HF components!

The downside:

Only two manufacturers: BHC distrubited by DNM and Jensen.
Different pin layout, Jensen even has two different layouts!
A bit more expensive, compared to normal capacitors.
Complex setup especially with dual mono power supplies.

The plus side:

High quality capacitor's
The HF filter works!

We developed a new PCB for these capacitors; the layout is in accordance with the BHC T pin configuration.

Joost Plugge

Saturday, March 14, 2009

Quad 606 Transformer Swap

François' (Besancon, France) Quad 606-1 started making a rumbling sound....


Some QUAD 606 MK1's start to make a rumbling sound after some years - from the amplifier itself, not through the speakers.


This means that the transformer is worn out and needs replacement (we know the same problem from the Quad 405 where we can replace the old transformer with a Toroïdal version).


The problem with the 606-1 is that a 400VA 2x 80V Toroïdal transformer won't fit as the diameter is much too large. Quad uses a Toroidal transformer in the 606 MK2, the 707 and the 909 but they developed a special PCB for it that wont fit the 606-1 chassis.


The only alternative seemed to order a "New Old Stock" "classic" replacement transformer for the 606-1 but this appeared to be very expensive and we don't like the quality of this transformer neither.


So we thought about using 2x 250VA 2x 40V Toroïdal transformers. This offers the advantages of extra power headroom (500 instead of 400VA), (even) better channel-separation as we use two different transformers and the possibility to use larger PSU capacitors.


We decided to use 2 Noratel 250VA 2x 40 Volt transformers. They are 50mm high and 120mm diameter.


But how to build them into the Chassis? Chris Devrieze has been puzzling with the question during several days and came up with a very good solution.
  • We remove a part of the old transformer mounting-frame on the bottom of the (upside-down) chassis so the new transformers will fit in between

  • As we can't mount the capacitors and the diode's on top of the transformers anymore - there is no space - we glue them with 2-component Epoxy on both sides of the transformers

  • Both 115V primary windings are soldered in series (for Europe) or in parallel (for the USA & Canada) and the secondary windings are soldered in series to obtain 80V

  • We drill a hole in the top cover-plate and we use a M6 x 120mm screw to fix both transformers to it after connecting all the wires. We put 4 rubber feet on the bottom to avoid all movement of the transformers once they are fixed

  • We mount the cover-plate with both transformers to the chassis with M5 x 40mm screws in the four corners

Of course we also did a full revision of the amplifier-boards to bring the 606 to a Quad 909 level and we replaced the connectors.

Click on the pictures to enlarge.

Dada Electronics will offer the 606-1 transformer swap as an option to the 606 revision service and will sell the Noratel 250VA transformers in the Ebay-shop.

Any questions? Info@dadaelectronics.com

Stefaan, Chris

Wednesday, March 04, 2009

Hum

Most of the hum problems are related to “earth” loops in external cabling systems.
Input "hum" can arise from small ground potential differences between signal inputs and outputs.
The grounds between amplifiers are established by the AC outlets, and through signal cables. Various factors can cause small ground potential differences between the sound input (power amp) and output (pre-amplifier).
A one-volt difference, while seemingly insignificant, can cause large loop currents to flow through the ground conductor of the signal cable. Depending on the circuit configuration of the audio hardware, the audio signal impedance and the impedance of the signal cable ground, the currents may cause induced voltages in the audio circuitry.




Source: Channel D

This is a source of the familiar 'hum' problem.
In the “old” days, like the Quad 33 and 303 combination, the 303 has no separated ground connection. Grounding was done trough the signal cable between the 33 and 303.
The advantage of such a “star” system: no hum loops. With modern safety regulations such a star system is highly illegal in most countries, and more important, not safe.
In the multi channel (Stereo) world the problems are even more pregnant. Also in most cases the aerial connection of the tuner is also connected to “ground”. In professional installations signal transport is isolated from ground connections (balanced connections); in normal audio systems engineers mix signal ground and chassis ground.

How to avoid hum loops?

Use only one wall socket for the mains connection, if possible. Use the preamp and the associated cabling in the “star” configuration. Separate the safety ground and the signal ground in the power amp, so the chassis is connected to the safety ground of the wall socket, but not connected to the signal ground of the preamp. The same recipe for other equipment connected to the preamp (not always possible!).
General advice; use cables as short as possible. Use shielded cables for the power cables. In some cases, a so called “isolator” is unavoidable; first test one in the aerial connection of the tuner. The tuner signal is FM modulated, so an isolator does less (no) harm to the signal quality. In RCA cables a small signal transformer play this role. Don’t spend a lot of money on special cables and end up with a cheap isolator in between.
In some cases increasing the resistance of the shielding of the signal cable has a positive effect, apply this only if the amplifiers have a proper installed safety earth connection!

How to detect and solve hum loops?

In general; a hum loop generates hum independent of the volume settings. If the hum is dependent on the volume setting; the hum is equipment borne in most cases. But the hum could also be a combination of both situations! The elimination of a hum loop is a painstaking process. Trial and error and applying logical thinking is the best solution.
Start with only the power amp and the loudspeakers, no signal cables connected. Then rebuild the configuration item for item. A cable is also an item! Once the source of the hum is known, a measure can be determined.

Measures

In a Quad 405 and 303 the chassis ground can be separated from the signal ground. In both amplifiers they are bonded together at the DIN input chassis part. In a 405 with factory fitted RCA inputs the two grounds are already separated. The same applies for a 606 and the higher numbers. In Quad tuners it is difficult to perform this trick, but in most cases the hum loop is caused by the aerial connection. A coaxial cable isolator will fix this problem. For testing and analysis it is acceptable to use a non earthed power extension cable for detecting the source of the hum, but always restore the safety earth connection to the chassis afterwards for your own safety! So you should *either* have 3-core mains leads from every piece of equipment *and* signal cables with the shielding disconnected at *one* end, if separation from the signal ground and chassis ground is not possible, or else a single mains connection and everything earthed via the signal leads, as in the case of a 33. Read also the comments before you change anything to your equipment!


A Jensen coax cable isolator










A simple DIY HF isolator!


Joost Plugge

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Monday, February 23, 2009

New release of the 34 - 306 - 606 Upgrade manuals




After several hundreds of upgrade-projects by our customers who used the Dada kits we released the next step, based on the feedback and the questions we got from you.


The new manuals have more pictures and schematics so it is even easier to upgrade your Quad yourself.


You can download de manuals for free from www.dadaelectronics.eu/downloads.

Stefaan & Joost

Thursday, January 01, 2009

Dada Loudspeaker Protection & Delay pre-announcement


The Loudspeaker protection / Delay is available in the Dada Electronics Webshop here.

Dada Electronics and JP Engineering are proud to pre-announce:

The Dada High End Loudspeaker DC protection with delayed switch-on, fast switch-off. (this is the first pre-production version, after the first ten units, real production starts. Size 24 x 89 mm. Product specifications might be changing. )



  • No switch-on/off noises like “Plop” or “Pmp” anymore.


  • Protects your valuable speakers against DC voltage from the output of your amplifier when something is wrong. Outperforms the original 405 'Clamp' circuit. The clamp board or components on the modules can be removed. A led will be used to indcate the activation of one of the protection circuits.


  • Designed for Quad transistor amplifiers, but can be used with almost any other transistor amplifier up to 500W RMS.


  • Fixed delay: 4 a 5 seconds. Other values on request. The switch on delay in a Quad 34 or 44 is not needed anymore.


  • AC detection: Immediate switch-off when mains power is removed from the amplifier. The AC detection is done via an optic coupler so no ground loops or other related problems.


  • Runs on the DC power supply of the amplifier 35 - 90V DC. Can be used with the Quad 303 as well, as with most other power-amplifiers. No separate mains power needed.
    Less mains-power leads inside the amplifier means less induced hum.


  • Audio Grade loudspeaker relay (the only one we know of) - very low contact resistance, double contact, one heavy duty and one gold plated silver contact, the gold contact closes after the heavy duty contact and opens before the heavy duty contact.


  • DC sensing and protection must be used when you have an amplifier with symmetric power-supply. It can be switched off by removing a jumper, when you have an amplifier with output-transformers and a single power supply or output-capacitors. With this option the relay contact can switch the loudspeaker without any galvanic connection with the rest of the amplifier.


  • Mono design. The unit can be used with amplifiers which are built as four pole devices, like the Quad 520 and 606 range. Or when a 405 is fitted with our double PSU in full floating mode. For use in a Stereo amplifier you should use 2 modules.


Placement of the unit in a 405, it will fit beside the modules. Firmly connected to the bottom cover with self adhesive feet.

Thursday, December 25, 2008

High-end Audio-grade Opamps available again...

Dada Electronics has the hard-to-find High-end Audio-grade Opamps in stock again.




Click on the links for pricing - quantity - datasheet from our Webshop. We ship within 24 hours.

These opamps are the ideal choice for Quad (pre-) amplifiers from the 34 on. Because of the power-supply rails you would rather use the OPA134 in a Quad 134 and the OPA604 in a 44.

Stefaan

  • Burr Brown OPA134 (for Quad 34, 44 ao.)

  • Burr Brown OPA2134 (dual opamp for Quad 34, 44 ao.)

  • Burr Brown OPA604 (for Quad 44, 405 ao.)

  • Burr Brown OPA2604 (dual opamp for Quad 44 ao.)

Dada Electronics is specialised in Vintage & High-end audio.

Sunday, December 07, 2008

Quad Power-supply design generations: pro & contra.

Second edited version 3 june 2010, thanks Peter!


Some thoughts about the design of the power supply in the 606 till 909 series.

Quad introduced a new power-supply in the 606 with an active earth circuit.




This basically means they removed the central earth wire from the transformer. As both power supply voltages now only depend on the value of the capacitors, an additional transistor-circuit was added to adjust the voltage across the two power supply capacitors.



If you used ‘matched’ capacitors, the extra circuit would not be necessary.



Looking at the simplified circuit diagram you will notice that it is impossible to have any DC current trough the loudspeaker. Quad introduced an elegant DC protection. The DC protection itself has nothing to do with the active earth, and without the transistor circuits, still there will be no DC current.



If one of the dumpers would fail the voltage over the capacitor will be doubled, hopefully the fuse will be blown before the capacitor does, as it is only rated 63V. Anyway, this is a far better solution than the Clamp circuit in the 405. From the DC point of view…

But is there a “Free lunch”?

If you compare the return current from the loudspeaker in a conventional setup, like the 405 (see the diagram), and the 606 supply, it looks like there is an extra power supply capacitor, a diode and half the secondary transformer winding in series with the loudspeaker in the case of the 606. This is worse than the output circuit of a 303!
Remember, the capacitors are of large capacity and the diode and the transformer winding are “behind” the capacitor. In the real world the loudspeaker current is delivered by the capacitors, they act as power supplies. Even in the situation were the centre connection of the transformer is used the current is supplied by the capacitors. There is only a small current through this wire, this is due to the tolerance in capacitors value. If the capacitors were matched, there is zero current in that wire. Check this with two power supplies in series and two resistors, the principle is the same. So in both setups the speaker current goes ‘’ through’’ the capacitors. In both setups the quality of the capacitors and the value are important. In the case of the Quad virtual earth the stability of the centre voltage is determent by the value (capacity) of the capacitors and the “speed” of the regulating transistor circuits.

Why this post?

In this paper I described two situations, the conventional earth wire and the 606 situation where the wire has an infinite resistance. Based on a idea of Keith Snook, what will happen when the wire is replaced by a resistor? If the value is low enough, the voltage on the power supply capacitors will stabilise, without the need of the extra transistor circuits. If the value is high enough the DC current will be limited.




The idea was to build a 405 PSU with the resistor and omit the DC protection. Until now I did not found a value that will match both the former criteria. The main reason for this is the fact that there is only very little time (5mS for the 50Hz situation, 60Hz is even worse in this aspect) for the capacitors to charge, the value of the resistor must be very low, but a low value wont protect your valuable speakers.



So until someone comes with a better idea, our own DC protection or the Quad implementations will still be needed.

Joost Plugge

DaDa Electronics

Thursday, September 25, 2008

405 in the air

Justin Wood (UK) used the Dada 44 and 405 kits to upgrade his Quads. He wrote:

Thought you might like the photo below...

Perhaps the first time a Dada Electronics Quad 405-2 was given its own upgrade to 'Club Class'!?

As you know I did the upgrade work while flying S61 helicopters up in the Shetland Islands. At the end of the contract I flew the helicopter with the 405-2, back to our home base in Penzance, Cornwall, UK.

The 405 loved the trip!

Justin

Today Justin added:

Just back to Cornwall from Stornoway in west Scotland.

Plugged in the 44 ....and I'm very very pleased to say it works like a dream; perfect in every way. There is certainly a most worthwhile improvement in the sound -- much greater detail, transparency and channel separation. I am looking forward to plenty of great music as the winter nights draw in.


I am absolutely delighted with the 'Dada improved' 44/405-II combination as it sounds fantastic. I hope lots of other Quad 44 owners will take the trouble to do the Dada up-grade and re-discover how good this pre-amp can sound. We all know how superb your 405 mods sound!

The photo shows the freshly upgraded 44 ready to ride home to Cornwall on the instrument dash-board! ...actually it had to go under the seat for safety....

How about a challenge for the weirdest places to find a Quad?

Justin Wood [justinnawood@hotmail.com]

Trying out the 1-day Quad revision...


The eternal problem with a Quad-revision is the transport. A 405 has a weight of around 10 kg, a 606 even more... So it is expensive to send it by mail. By the way, I had bad experiences sending amplifiers by mail ;-(

Pierre (from Calais, France - 250 kilometers from Antwerp) wanted to have his 405 upgraded and Burr Brown chips installed but he did not feel like driving 4 x 250 km.

So we invented the "Visit Antwerp & Upgrade your Quad" roundtrip.


If the Quad is delivered before 11 am it can be picked up around 6 pm IF all eventual problems are described via e-mail and a rendez-vous is made in advance (we have to make sure we have all the components ready).

Antwerp is an excellent city-trip - see http://www.visitantwerp.be/.

Stefaan

Wednesday, September 24, 2008

OPA134 pin 8 in Quad revisions / upgrades


When using a Burr Brown OPA134 opamp for revising / upgrading Quad amplifiers like the 34 and the 306 make sure Pin 8 is connected to nothing.


Pin 8 is the offset-input. If it is connected to pin 6 (like in some versions of the 306) this wil cause problems with the DC-feedback and result in a DC Voltage on the output.


You have to cut off pin 8 or cut the track on the PCB-board.


In general, when using the OPA134, OPA604 or OPA627 in a Quad revision project pins 1, 5 and 8 are not used and should be disconnected.


Stefaan

Saturday, September 20, 2008

Marcos Di Paolo uses a 303 with Dada's High-end boards

Marcos is one more professional musician who has chosen Dada's High-end boards in his studio for their excellent transparency and natural sound.

Marcos was born in Argentina and lives in Rotterdam today. He studies the guitar for more than 25 years and is now working as a full-time professional musician in several projects. See his website http://www.marcosdipaolo.nl.

He writes about his new High-end boards:

"And the most important, ...it's really a pleasure listening music with this amp!!, I've never heard a high freq range so clear like I'm listening at this very moment. I'm really happy with the sound of my new Quad, thanks a lot!!!."

Stefaan

Friday, September 19, 2008

Current Limiter in the Quad 405 and other limiters.



















We decided to implement the 405-II current-limiters on request only. We have built the limiters with normal components. If you insist on having the limiters on your boards, ask for a quotation.

Why don’t we implement the limiter in our High-end boards?

It affects the sound quality, not only because of the topology of the limiter itself but also the way Quad implement it. In a 405, but still in the 909, the current trough the sensing resistor modulates the voltage of the positive power rail of the class A stage and the Opamp.

The Opamp is the least of our worries, because it has a high power supply ripple rejection ratio.

The modulation is done by a dirty half wave class C signal from the upper dumper transistor. In the original 1975 days this was not such a problem, noise, crosstalk and other distortions masked this problem. But in search for the highest quality, the limiter has to go. Also the current sensing resistors can now be short circuited.

The right way to implement a limiter with this topology: (This is a 405-2 example, the 405-1 is less complex)
The limiter in the negative part of the output circuit can stay as it is, it is part of the dumper section, the class A stage will compensate for errors via the current dumping principle!
















Input limit is the role of the Opamp.

In the first production version of the 405 the power supply voltage of the Opamp was plus and minus 12 V. Also due to the DC stabilisation there was a DC offset at the output of the Opamp of 1.7 V. This means the theoretical input voltage of the Opamp stage is 486mV max, conclusion; with 500mV input no 100W in 8 ohm undistorted output power was possible!

The PSU voltage went up to 15V and the DC offset was lowered to 1.2V, still the headroom is only 2.3dB for undistorted output. So a popular en reasonable update/mod is raising the PSU voltage and selecting the proper Opamp. An OPA604 running on 24V gives a healthy 6dB plus headroom in the OpAmp stage.

The rest? Calculation shows that the maximum theoretical input voltage needed to let the dumper stage clip is only 1,9 dB above the nominal input, so the figure of 2,3dB implemented by Quad looks sufficient. So be careful with the input level, there is only a small overload margin.

Output limit.

The output can be limited to 20V by inserting a link in the OpAmp circuit; this was done to protect the ESL57 from overloading. We do not advice this option, this is not a soft clipping device, and feeding 20V square waves in to a fragile ESL57 is not a good thing to do. Buy a refurbished 303 or Quad II to drive the ESL57. Clipping of a 303 and an II is still possible, but only with high input levels.

DC detection and protection.

A low pass filter is placed in parallel with the output, when the DC voltage is about 6 volt, the Diac opens and the Triac will short circuit the output. Due to the characteristic of the Diac the output stays in short circuit mode, hence the name ”Clamp circuit”. It was the intention that the fuses would be blown, in practice also the output transistors will be thermically killed! But there was a problem anyway with the circuit. Low voltage Diac’s are hard to get in these days.
Dada Electronics' own DC protection circuit is relay based and has a switch on delay function built in to it. See Ebay-object 200243187533.

Joost

Wednesday, September 17, 2008

Dada's 405 High-end boards













We had our new High-end boards photographed by Photology.net.



Click on the pictures to enlarge.



Stefaan